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Postby Maddawg2020 » October 30th, 2019, 2:04 pm

I don't know when this forum turned into a pick em only deal, but I sure miss when this place used to talk about the teams. It was always good to get the local flavor and vibe from each team, even it was bragging about their team.

I will start some 11A talk. As you can probably tell by my name I am from Madison. We have had a crazy up and down season. Losing some very close games that we really could have won, but winning some game that we could have lost. Could easily be 7-1, but sit at 5-4. You are what your record says you are.
It will be a nice match up against Lennox tomorrow. Lennox is on a roll, but I am sure the Madison kids and coaches feel that is a game they let get away a couple weeks ago. Should be a lot of scoring as both offenses have firepower. It will come down to turnovers, which has been a problem for Madison in the losses we have had.

Welcome all comments.
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Re: Discussion

Postby truecowboy86 » October 31st, 2019, 8:27 pm

Hats off to Lemmon/McIntosh for showing some West river grit and traveling 6 hours east to play one hell of a game. Next up Viborg/Hurley.
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Re: Discussion

Postby PheasantFaN » November 1st, 2019, 6:03 am

truecowboy86 wrote:
October 31st, 2019, 8:27 pm
Hats off to Lemmon/McIntosh for showing some West river grit and traveling 6 hours east to play one hell of a game. Next up Viborg/Hurley.
I don't see anyone beating Viborg Hurley this year. Just too loaded with talent.
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Re: Discussion

Postby dtfranck » November 1st, 2019, 8:02 am

Two 3-6 teams (SF Washington & West Central) pulled upsets last night to advance to the semis. Pierre put up 103 against Spearfish.
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Re: Discussion

Postby RookieSD » November 1st, 2019, 8:25 am

The Pierre score last night shows what a joke our football class system is. When there is only 8 teams in your class and you haven't won a game all year and still make the playoffs there is something wrong. I really think it should go back to 3 11-man classes and 2-3 9-man classes. They need to make it so getting into the playoffs means something. Even in the lower classes with 16 teams out of 25 or so getting into the playoffs you can have a bad record and still get in.
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Re: Discussion

Postby Cletus » November 1st, 2019, 11:29 am

There are problems with 11AA for sure. Look at the season's entirety. Dakota Valley beats Yankton, St. Thomas Moore beats Spearfish, Canton beats Huron, Madison plays Brookings very tough & Mitchell was the #3 rated team in the polls when they played Pierre after losing to SF Christian & Dell Rapids. Maybe the real question becomes should the 1st & 2nd rounds be eliminated in this class? Just play the finals between the top 2 rated teams & let the regular season be the playoff. Lost in all of this is the fact that Pierre is a very special team.
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Re: Discussion

Postby Maddawg2020 » November 1st, 2019, 3:41 pm

Pierre has a team this year that can compete against anyone. Too bad this was the year for eliminating 11AAA from the schedules. It would have been very interesting seeing them compete against the best in 11AAA. I have to say that even with disparity of talent between Pierre and Spearfish I would have hoped that something could have been done to not have a score like that.

Hats of to Lennox last night. They did what they needed and won at home. Crazy 4th quarter for sure and extra points were the difference. Thinking Lennox and Tea in 11A final, but Canton should scare Tea. Lennox and Canton both on a major roll heading into the semis.
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Re: Discussion

Postby bOOm » November 2nd, 2019, 9:59 pm

High school sports is all about the groups of athletes that are growing up in the same area together at a certain time. This is why we all love high school sports, and what makes them great! Most of the 9 man schools right now, or any year, that are in the top end of each of their respective classes could put together 11 man teams right now that could compete, not necessarily win games against most of the top 11 man schools. (I bet Chad Greenway would love to weigh in on this!) Because they are a good group of athletes. They wouldn't win as many because the don't have any reserves! This is the same argument in all sports, basketball, football and track. When a certain group gets together, special things happen, regardless of class. People want to talk about the joke of our 11 man football classes are, but they forget that just a few years ago, or in the next few years, that these same teams probably wouldn't have been able to hold a candle to the top tier teams. Every few years there is a team that can, but often isn't given the chance (because of state scheduling) against the top teams. When you start talking about the larger classes of high school sports in the state, they have a much larger group of athletes to chose from by capita, but just because they are bigger, doesn't always mean that they are better. Statistically they are, but that is not always the rule. Pierre has a fantastic program going right now, but in a couple years things will change as the always do.

Greenway got interviewed after Jared Allen had to step up and be a long snapper during a Vikings NFL game, and was asked if he could do the same thing. My favorite quote from all of pro sports was Greenway saying "I played 9 man football in South Dakota, I can do any thing that you need me to do..."

Some people need to forget the classes an appreciate getting to watch the athletes in front of you....

People are making a big stink about the Pierre over Spearfish game of 103-0, but never commented on Lemmon McIntosh beating RC Christian 80-8 at halftime... Yes it was halftime! I watched it on You Tube to see for myself. Find it hard to believe that all of a sudden we need to add a mercy rule just because Spearfish doesn't have a football program? There are many 9 man 50+ point scores that are done at halftime. I don't disagree that it should be the same for all classes. The stats say that there were freshman carrying the ball for Pierre. I think that they did everything that they could to not run up the score.

If the team that you root for is not very good, it is not always the coach, or the kids, it could be you! Most of the time, the schools don't have the money to pay a coach to stay on for years and years unless they are local and want to stay in the community to build a program the way that we have come to expect. Are you leading camps or open gyms to try and improve your high school teams? Look into the mirror before looking down on the teams around you... If you want the legacy that you think should be alive in your community, YOU need to be the one to drive the force that gets them back on track...
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Re: Discussion

Postby trig72 » November 4th, 2019, 9:28 am

bOOm,

Appreciate your comments and IMO nailed it.

I also think we should leave 11B alone as I think it is working, but do agree that there are many 9AA teams that should/could be playing 11-man. If there is 11B teams that are not playing both ways then that's a testament to their program. If you extend the number of 11B schools then I think that number should go down to pull up 9AA (say 52) and not up to pull in 11A schools.
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Re: Discussion

Postby sdsportsfan99 » November 4th, 2019, 1:25 pm

Anybody have some numbers and examples of ideas for the new football reclassification? I think 5 total classes sounds very reasonable but I would love to see some numbers and examples of who would be in what class?
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Re: Discussion

Postby CSDsportsfan1 » November 6th, 2019, 10:56 am

My proposal to re-class football would be to go with six classes. Leave 11AAA as is with 10 teams; merge 11AA and some of the top teams from 11A to make either a 12 or 16 team class; and, then take the remaining teams from 11A and merge them with 11B.

In the 9-man ranks, I would go to two classes, and I have felt for some time there is a need for a 6-man class, mainly due to distance and declining student populations and declining football numbers in a lot of schools. There may be more interest in 6-man if there were only two 9-man classes.
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Re: Discussion

Postby MB3 » November 6th, 2019, 1:48 pm

My proposal would be to keep 11AAA the way it is. Combine 11AA and 11A, which would be 23 teams. Leave 11B the way it is, they already has 25 teams and seems to be working. Cut 9 man in half into two classes.
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Re: Discussion

Postby Warrior4Life » November 7th, 2019, 7:28 am

MB3 im with you
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Re: Discussion

Postby colt fan » November 7th, 2019, 1:39 pm

I agree, let's go back and start talking about the teams, players, coaches, referees?, fans, etc. Forget about the pick em contests.
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Re: Discussion

Postby sdsportsfan99 » November 8th, 2019, 1:33 pm

No need to diss the pick em.... just encourage more activity and conversation. Share this forum with friends who have high school sports interest and make this page more active!
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Re: Discussion

Postby truecowboy86 » November 9th, 2019, 7:55 am

PheasantFaN wrote:
November 1st, 2019, 6:03 am
truecowboy86 wrote:
October 31st, 2019, 8:27 pm
Hats off to Lemmon/McIntosh for showing some West river grit and traveling 6 hours east to play one hell of a game. Next up Viborg/Hurley.
I don't see anyone beating Viborg Hurley this year. Just too loaded with talent.
Well, Lemmon/McIntosh made them earn it.
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Re: Discussion

Postby bOOm » November 11th, 2019, 11:47 am

PheasantFaN wrote: ↑
November 1st, 2019, 7:03 am
truecowboy86 wrote: ↑
October 31st, 2019, 9:27 pm
Hats off to Lemmon/McIntosh for showing some West river grit and traveling 6 hours east to play one hell of a game. Next up Viborg/Hurley.
I don't see anyone beating Viborg Hurley this year. Just too loaded with talent.
Well, Lemmon/McIntosh made them earn it.

Yes they did! Lemmon was very well prepared on defense and made for a heck of a game!
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Re: Discussion

Postby twhit0889 » November 15th, 2019, 9:36 am

Cletus wrote:
November 1st, 2019, 11:29 am
There are problems with 11AA for sure. Look at the season's entirety. Dakota Valley beats Yankton, St. Thomas Moore beats Spearfish, Canton beats Huron, Madison plays Brookings very tough & Mitchell was the #3 rated team in the polls when they played Pierre after losing to SF Christian & Dell Rapids. Maybe the real question becomes should the 1st & 2nd rounds be eliminated in this class? Just play the finals between the top 2 rated teams & let the regular season be the playoff. Lost in all of this is the fact that Pierre is a very special team.
Pierre is a very special team yes but how do you do that? The class would only be able to play within itself entirely!
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Re: Discussion

Postby twhit0889 » November 15th, 2019, 2:52 pm

2019-2021 How everything stands with enrollment.
Schools by Enrollment of Male Students
11AAA-Rankings before Playoffs 2019-Male only enrollments of 400.000 and above
1. Sioux Falls Roosevelt 964.000
2. Sioux Falls Lincoln 778.341
3. Brandon Valley 475.104
4. Sioux Falls O'Gorman 275.668******-Petitioned up
5. Harrisburg 402.000
6. Rapid City Stevens 674.436
7. Sioux Falls Washington 778.093
8. Watertown 454.352
9. Aberdeen Central 480.435
10. Rapid City Central 850.938

11AA-Rankings before Playoffs 2019-Male only enrollments of 225.000 - 399.999, including at least eight schools
1. Pierre T.F. Riggs 318.890
2. Brookings 369.142
3. Huron 286.787
4. Sturgis Brown 275.872
5. Mitchell 299.702/Mitchell Christian 15.400=315.102
6. Yankton 344.665
7. Douglas 318.400
8. Spearfish 249.503

11A-Rankings before Playoffs 2019-Male only enrollments of 100.000 - 224.999
1. Dell Rapids 118.232
2. Tea Area 185.540
3. Canton 100.388
4. Lennox 108.013
5. Madison 150.641
6. Dakota Valley 157.177
7. Tri-Valley 105.682
8. West Central 154.222
9. Custer 112.548
10. Belle Fourche 149.765
11. Milbank 135.647
12. Sioux Falls Christian 130.400
13. Vermillion 136.256
14. Todd County 193.623
15. Pine Ridge 176.161

11B-Rankings before Playoffs 2019-Male only enrollments of 56.001 - 99.999
1. Bridgewater-Emery 47.429/Ethan 26.895=74.324
2. Winner 78.685
3. Webster Area 60.520
4. Mobridge-Pollock 82.393
5. McCook Central 40.000/ Montrose 19.000=59
6. Mt. Vernon 25.850/Plankinton 35.410=61.26
7. St. Thomas More 89.672
8. Sioux Valley 77.909
9. Sisseton 105.620
10. Elk Point-Jefferson 70.303
11. Chamberlain 98.961
12. Stanley County 59.000
13. Garretson 65.631
14. Groton Area 70.493
15. Lead-Deadwood 80.610
16. Hot Springs 93.400
17. Beresford 92.870
18. Redfield 64.470
19. Aberdeen Roncalli 45.000/Aberdeen Christian 17.000-62.000-**********Petitioned up
20. Wagner 65.770
21. Woonsocket 24.123/Wessington Springs 34.450/ Sanborn Central 12.000=70.573-**********Petitioned up
22. Bennett County 60.600
23. Flandreau 81.329
24. Miller 32.000/Highmore-Harrold 35.000=67
25. McLaughlin 67.226/ Wakpala 21.013=88.239-If they were still co-oped

9AA-Region 1-4 in that order-Top 1/3 with male only enrollments of 56.000 and below
1. Deuel 49.182
2. Hamlin 87.053
3. Waubay 21.253/Wilmot 19.842/Summit 23.164-Dakota Hills=64.536
4. Florence 27.000/Henry 21.364=48.364
5. Clark 28.000/Willow Lake 27.458=55.458
6. Great Plains Lutheran 44.000

1. Viborg-Hurley 48.550
2. Parker 50.067
3. Baltic 53.000
4. Arlington 38.093/Lake Preston 26.800=64.893
5. Elkton-Lake Benton 45.416
6. Deubrook Area 48.298

1. Bon Homme 46.265
2. Hanson 49.000
3. Platte-Geddes 49.372
4. Parkston 50.340
5. Menno 22.323/Marion 26.270/Freeman Academy 16.000 =64.593

1. Lemmon 24.590 /McIntosh 23.000=47.590
2. Jones County 21.622/White River 43.091=64.713
3. Rapid City Christian 50.000
4. Hill City 50.897
5. Newell 44.037

9A-Region 1-4 in that order-Middle 1/3 with male only enrollments of 56.000 and below
1. Britton-Hecla 37.746
2. Warner 38.000
3. Ipswich 34.145/Edmunds Central 11.000=45.145
4. Eureka 15.377/Bowdle 11.000/Leola 10.000/Frederick Area 23.046-North Border-59.423
5. Northwestern 39.790

1. Canistota 17.000/Freeman 23.180=40.18
2. Howard 38.227
3. De Smet 35.251
4. Oldham-Ramona 19.000/Rutland 23.813=42.813
5. Castlewood 35.160
6. Chester Area 37.487

1. Gregory 38.844
2. Kimball 23.434/White Lake 14.000=37.434
3. Burke 41.000
4. Lyman 41.237
5. Gayville-Volin 36.176
6. Tripp-Delmont 11.000/Armour 19.000 /Andes Central 22.403/Dakota Christian 8.000=60.403

1. Sully Buttes 35.750
2. Wall 37.000
3. Philip 41.000
4. New Underwood 32.936
5. Timber Lake 36.045
6. Gettysburg 33.405/Hoven 8.645-Potter County=42.05

9B-Region 1-4 in that order-Bottom 1/3 with male only enrollments of 56.000 and below
1. Wolsey-Wessington 30.660
2. Langford Area 28.000
3. Herreid 10.761/Selby Area 22.244=33.005
4. Faulkton Area 28.000
5. Hitchcock-Tulare 24.000
6. Sunshine Bible Academy 18.227

1. Colman-Egan 28.000
2. Dell Rapids St. Mary 28.250
3. Alcester-Hudson 29.697
4. Estelline 32.000/Hendricks 16.000-Maybe-MN School-48
5. Centerville 30.618
6. Waverly-South Shore 29.000

1. Scotland 24.000
2. Corsica-Stickney 31.000
3. Irene-Wakonda 27.066
4. Colome 26.484
5. Avon 24.689

1. Harding County 24.714
2. Faith 24.000
3. Kadoka Area 26.877
4. Dupree 26.972
5. Edgemont 21.000
6. Bison 15.698

All Nations Conference
West Division
Red Cloud 111.499
Oelrichs 34.446
Crazy Horse 45.369
Takini 19.125
Cheyenne-Eagle Butte 106.108
Little Wound 164.188

East Division
Lower Brule 45.788
St. Francis Indian 85.677
Marty 40.822
Flandreau Indian 82.045
Tiospa Zina 74.491
Crow Creek 67.397

FOOTBALL CO-OPS Utilizing the 10% Rule for 2019-20 and 2020-21:
Mitchell (10% of Mitchell Christian) = 301.242
McCook Central/Montrose (90% of Montrose) = 57.100
WWSSC (50% of Woonsocket & 60% of Sanborn Central) = 53.712
Aberdeen Roncalli (30% of Aberdeen Christian) = 50.100
Baltic (20% of SF Lutheran) = 55.600
Jones County/White River (60% of White River) = 55.013
Lemmon/McIntosh (80% of McIntosh) = 42.990
Ipswich (50% of Edmunds Central) = 39.645
Revised 7/19 Classification - 2
TDA/AC/DC (40% of Tripp-Delmont, 60% of Armour, 10% of Dak. Christian) = 39.003
Potter County (40% of Hoven) = 36.863
North Border (40% of Leola, 60% of Eureka, 0% of Bowdle) = 36.272
Kimball/White Lake (70% of White Lake) = 33.234
Estelline/Hendricks (0% of Hendricks) = 32.000
Herreid/Selby Area (60% of Selby Area) = 28.701



95. Lutheran HS of Sioux Falls 13.000-Doesn't Play Football
130. Rosholt 33.046-Plays in the NDHSAA
47. Elk Mountain 3.000-Doesn't Play Football
138. Sioux Falls New Technology 114.991-Doesn't Play any Sports
155. Tiospaye Topa 24.964-Doesn't Play Football
82. Iroquois 24.455/Doland 10.000=34.455-Plays a JV Schedule
83. James Valley Christian 22.970 -Doesn't Play Football
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Re: Discussion

Postby twhit0889 » November 15th, 2019, 5:23 pm

Here's my thought's on the classes, a few schools petition up and a few schools petition down but I could not find which schools petition down. I know Hamlin is one of them schools that has a lot of kids that cant play because of their religion. I am sure there are a few more out there. But if it were to be changed to this it would be a must that the schools only play within their class, no more schools playing down or up. I am sure a few towns wouldn't be very happy with that because of travel distance but that's to bad. To make our state more competitive across the board that is what needs to happen. There would also be a clause that after every 4 years(length of the co-ops) these classes would be re-assessed and if schools did go undefeated throughout the whole season and playoffs then they may bump up or if schools didn't win a game they may bump down if agreed upon by a board.

Numbers behind the school is the Male only enrollment
11AAA-Rankings before Playoffs 2019-Male only enrollments of 400.000 and above-14 Schools
Sioux Falls Roosevelt 964
Rapid City Central 850.938
Sioux Falls Lincoln 778.341
Sioux Falls Washington 778.093
Rapid City Stevens 674.436
Aberdeen Central 480.435
Brandon Valley 475.104
Watertown 454.352
Harrisburg 402
Brookings 369.142
Yankton 344.665
Pierre T.F. Riggs 318.89
Douglas 318.4
******-Petitioned up-Sioux Falls O'Gorman 275.668

11AA-Rankings before Playoffs 2019-Male only enrollments of 225.000 - 399.999, including at least eight schools-20 Schools
Mitchell 299.702/Mitchell Christian 15.400= 301.242
Huron 286.787
Sturgis Brown 275.872
Spearfish 249.503
Todd County 193.623
Tea Area 185.54
Pine Ridge 176.161
Dakota Valley 157.177
West Central 154.222
Madison 150.641
Belle Fourche 149.765
Vermillion 136.256
Milbank 135.647
Sioux Falls Christian 130.4
Dell Rapids 118.232
Custer 112.548
Lennox 108.013
Tri-Valley 105.682
Sisseton 105.62
Canton 100.388

11A-Rankings before Playoffs 2019-Male only enrollments of 100.000 - 224.999-25 Schools
Chamberlain 98.961
Hot Springs 93.4
Beresford 92.87
St. Thomas More 89.672
If they were still co-oped-McLaughlin 67.226/ Wakpala 21.013=88.239
Mobridge-Pollock 82.393
Flandreau 81.329
Lead-Deadwood 80.61
Winner 78.685
Sioux Valley 77.909
Bridgewater-Emery 47.429/Ethan 26.895=74.324
Groton Area 70.493
Elk Point-Jefferson 70.303
Miller 32.000/Highmore-Harrold 35.000=67
Wagner 65.77
Garretson 65.631
Arlington 38.093/Lake Preston 26.800=64.893
Redfield 64.47
Mt. Vernon 25.850/Plankinton 35.410=61.26
Bennett County-60.6
Webster Area 60.52
Stanley County 59
McCook Central 40.000/ Montrose 19.000=57.1
**********Petitioned up-Woonsocket 24.123/Wessington Springs 34.450/ Sanborn Central 12.000=53.712
**********Petitioned up-Aberdeen Roncalli 45.000/Aberdeen Christian 17.000-50.1

9AA-Region 1-4 in that order-Top 1/3 with male only enrollments of 56.000 and below-22 Schools
Hamlin 87.053
Menno 22.323/Marion 26.270/Freeman Academy 16.000 =64.593
Waubay 21.253/Wilmot 19.842/Summit 23.164-Dakota Hills=64.536
Baltic 55.6
Clark 28.000/Willow Lake 27.458=55.458
Jones County 21.622/White River 43.091= 55.013
Hill City 50.897
Parkston 50.34
Parker 50.067
Rapid City Christian 50
Platte-Geddes 49.372
Deuel 49.182
Hanson 49
Viborg-Hurley 48.55
Florence 27.000/Henry 21.364= 48.364
Deubrook Area 48.298
Bon Homme 46.265
Elkton-Lake Benton 45.416
Newell 44.037
Great Plains Lutheran 44
Lemmon 24.590 /McIntosh 23.000=42.99
Lyman 41.237

9A-Region 1-4 in that order-Middle 1/3 with male only enrollments of 56.000 and below-23 Schools
Oldham-Ramona 19.000/Rutland 23.813=42.813
Burke 41
Philip 41
Canistota 17.000/Freeman 23.180=40.18
Northwestern 39.79
Ipswich 34.145/Edmunds Central 11.000= 39.645
Tripp-Delmont 11.000/Armour 19.000 /Andes Central 22.403/Dakota Christian 8.000= 39.003
Gregory 38.844
Howard 38.227
Warner 38
Britton-Hecla 37.746
Chester Area 37.487
Wall 37
Gettysburg 33.405/Hoven 8.645-Potter County= 36.863
Eureka 15.377/Bowdle 11.000/Leola 10.000/Frederick Area 23.046-North Border-36.272
Gayville-Volin 36.176
Timber Lake 36.045
Sully Buttes 35.75
De Smet 35.251
Castlewood 35.16
Kimball 23.434/White Lake 14.000=33.234
New Underwood 32.936
Estelline 32.000/Hendricks 16.000-Maybe-MN School-32

9B-Region 1-4 in that order-Bottom 1/3 with male only enrollments of 56.000 and below-22 schools
Corsica-Stickney 31
Wolsey-Wessington 30.66
Centerville 30.618
Alcester-Hudson 29.697
Waverly-South Shore 29
Herreid 10.761/Selby Area 22.244=28.701
Dell Rapids St. Mary 28.25
Langford Area 28
Faulkton Area 28
Colman-Egan 28
Irene-Wakonda 27.066
Dupree 26.972
Kadoka Area 26.877
Colome 26.484
Harding County 24.714
Avon 24.689
Hitchcock-Tulare 24
Scotland 24
Faith 24
Edgemont 21
Sunshine Bible Academy 18.227
Bison 15.698

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